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Here are the notes from 01 May 2022.
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Kyra TL;DR: Does this proposed revision mean a content creator cannot refer at all to Neos, or only do so if done in an environment which reasonably restricts the viewing of such content to users assumed to be Adults, while at the same time disclosing that said creator does not have a connection with the Neos team and the post is not endorsed by such?
A question for the Office Hour regarding the following proposed revision:
We request users avoid alluding to the Neos Brand when making social media posts or comments containing Adult Content.
Previously there's been wording from--I think, this (the Moderation) team--that creators should avoid public--as in, world-readable without other restriction--social media mention of the Neos brand when referencing adult content. An example might be a Twitter post when the account posting the content does not have the tweets locked down to just followers.
However, there seemed to be clarifying guidance such that if a creator of adult items wished to have restricted--such as Mature or Adult on FurAffinity which restricts viewing of the relevant post to logged in users--posts, then you could mention it. For example, "I just created $_THIS_THING, which you may purchase from my Gumroad store at $_LINK, which is capable of being used in VR platforms such as VRChat, Neos, etc."
Does this proposed revision mean a content creator cannot refer at all to Neos, or only do so if done in an environment which reasonably restricts the viewing of such content to users assumed to be Adults, while at the same time disclosing that said creator does not have a connection with the Neos team and the post is not endorsed by such?
- We intended this point to emphasis that we would not be pursuing account restrictions or other actions against users who posted Adult Content when mentioning the Neos brand - it was simply a request. However, we are reconsidering the language around this piece and may strike it entirely.
rampa_3 (UTC +1, DST UTC +2) Talking Twitch, they changed ToS, and are now cracking down on nudity. And even non-streaming person can get you banned. Essentially, I feel letting community on cam during streams will now need to be kept eye on... I heard they went really harsh about this, even when not exactly explicit stuff was happening. (Essentially, it is so dumb that Rex not wearing pants has chance of giving you problems...)
- Thank you for passing on the information.
Kyra Suggestion: If the guideline on this item is supposed to be a request--and not a hard/fast rule--perhaps add clarifying language to let creators know examples of what kinds of references are permitted? (So people aren't afraid to create content for, and advertise in appropriate locations, Neos and other VR platforms, and don't have to rely strictly on word of mouth and can leverage FA watchers, for example. I know at least one creator who goes out of their way to have Mature posts on FA, referring to Neos as "that other VR game", or something similar.)
- Thank you for the suggestion.
rampa_3 (UTC +1, DST UTC +2) I wanted to mainly warn about this, since I bumped into it elsewhere and would not want someone to get Neos Twitch banned by accident on streams when community is allowed in... Heard some horror stories about how easy it is to get clapped for this thing.
- Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
Dionamus Has a toggle ever been considered on the platform/session/world side of things (and possibly also be integrated on a slot-level basis)? I have seen many instances where users would forget to turn the world private when adult content was present in the world.
- It has been part of the discussions on how Neos will handle adult content tagging in the future.
SordaSuper What would be the best way to submit suggestions on wording at a later point? It doesn't format well on mobile so I (and assuming others) will try to review further later on
- Either through the moderation ticket system or the anonymous feedback form.
Rajara I see some people wearing fetish gear as style. For example, rubber harnesses, chaps, etc. Is that going to count for it as well? It may suggest the person is sexually inclined. Is that unacceptable in public worlds?
- This is explicitly not an issue on its own in the guideline revision. User behaviour while wearing them may still fall under sexualized activity, but only if it is intended for sexual arousal.
SordaSuper What is the stance on things such as jock straps that create a noticeable... hint of genitalia, despite the avatar not actually having genitalia under said clothing?
- Visible genitialia is covered under nudity in our definition on adult content. Covered genitalia that may still be visible are an issue to the degree that they are readily identifiable as genitalia.